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Every kid should learn to read by the end of the fourth grade for goodness sake. the thing is they can already read, it's natural. they learn to talk without anybody teaching them. reading is take the sound they know. cup. balance. fire. and they relate that to real things. all you got to do is take the sounds and relate them to marks on the page. that's why phonics works. mark: what did dewey and the progressives do? >> they thought all of that could be transformed. human reason itself is not any more a given, not any more inherent or inalienable, and so we should experiment now. we should in...

His state of the union in '95 every kid should learn to read by the end of the fourth grade for goodness sake. the thing is they can already read, it's natural. they learn to talk without anybody teaching them. reading is take the sound they know. cup. balance. fire. and they relate that to real things. all you got to do is take the sounds and relate them to marks on the page. that's why phonics works. mark: wt didewey and the progresses do? >> they thought all of that could b transformed. human reason itself is not any more a given, not any more inherent or inalienable, and so we should exper...