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Books that depict this part of our history. i'm not sure if there's anything progressive progressive, liberal or positive about yanking the entire work of art. >> it's a balance. you have younger kids watching this, trying to figure out what this means. i think it's the most powerful one we have seen yet on this debate. more powerful than any politician that has spoken out on this. if you've been down to the south, nascar is everything to them. it represents america more than any other sporting event that there is so for them to come out against the flag or the use of the flag i think is a hug...

Or chicago. >> bob: you said obamacare and that is fair to add in to this. although not nationalized medicine. social security, medicare and medicaid been around a long time. this is not something brand new. not moving in this direction all of a sudden. >> eric: here is what happened this year. >> andrea: we are moving quicker than in the past. >> eric: here is what happened this year. heritage put out a study. for the first time in history the amount of money if you are on welfare, welfare recipient, number that you get, 40 something thousand on average per year exceeds the amount if you're a...

>> most certainly doesn't. i want to tell you -- i want to ask you because i know have you a lot of sources in the sports world -- have you spoken to anyone inside the yankees organization about this latest development with steinbrenner? >> believe it or not, no. the latest development is something that's -- actually what it is. it is the latest development. it just happened today. i talked to reggie jackson, you know the hall of famer that played for the yankees. three home runs in 1978, i believe it was the year against the los angeles dodgers in game six of the world series. i just spoke to...