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Over a misdemeanor charge. it's a misdemeanor to cross the border. >> can we play this vice audio? you talk about it and it's theoretical and horrifying to think about but when you hear the voices of these distraught children, it's hard to listen to but i feel like we need to confront i. this confront it. this is a little boy talking to his mom. his mom is from guatemala and he has been -- they've been separated from one another and vice news recorded audio of their phone call. take a listen. [ speaking foreign language ]

Insulted play in these kind of settings? >> it probably depends on foreign leader in question. some of them have thicker skin than others. i actually find that the democratic leaders are more able to shrug off criticism than the autocrats. i'm not that award about any of our allies feeling personally offended. but i do worry about alliances and you know, i like karen's metaphor. i was thinking on my run today about the fdic. we have guarantees for americans if they put their money in the bank, that if there's a run on bank or some kind of collapse, they can get their money back up to $250,000....

I wonder how much fits of peak personal relationships, being insulted play in these kinds of settings. >> i think it probably depend on the foreign leader in question. some have thicker skin than others. i actually ind fine that the democratic lead remembers more able to slug off the criticism than the autocrats. i'm not worried about any of our allies feeling personally offended but i do worry about alliances. i like karen's metaphor. i was thinking on my run today about the fdic. we have guarantees for americans if they put their money in the bank that, if there is a run on the bank or some ...

Personal relationships, being insulted play in these kind of settings? >> it probably depends on foreign leader in question. some of them have thicker skin than others. i actually find that the democratic leaders are more able to shrug off criticism than the autocrats. i'm not that award about any of our allies feeling personally offended. but i do worry about alliances and you know, i like karen's metaphor. i was thinking on my run today about the fdic. we have guarantees for americans if they put their money in the bank, that if there's a run on bank or some kind of collapse, they can get th...

Business into a separate trust. so it makes him vulnerable. it makes our country vulnerable. i think mr. mueller wants to know more about that. >> senator ben cardin, awfully good to see you again, sir. thank you so much for joining me on this saturday morning. thank you. joining me now, political reporter for npr and jeremy peters, a msnbc contributor. jeremy, it's no secret that the president wanted to see mccabe go. do you think there's a sense of relief there in the white house? or at least on behalf of the president, that this has happened now? >> among the president, his senior advis...