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We shouldn't do things to make sure it doesn't happen again >> this is an enormous challenge that nancy pelosi faces. and she is showing signs she is up to it. we live in the hyperpoliticized context where virtually nothing, not even public health can happen without a politicsle shine put on it. but it's incredibly important for the january 6th commission that we hear objective testimony from fact witnesses, without any spin on it. and i understand that we're in congress. and people in congress in these sorts of hearings often are there to make certain types of points. i hope democrats walk aw...

To go it alone. as they whine and complain about what might end up being a select committee a more partisan process, let me remind everybody that republicans didn't hesitate to have hearing after hearing to investigate hillary clinton under the guise of benghazi, having her testify for 11 hours. so i don't want to hear from republicans when they don't get the bipartisan commission, you know, democrats were willing to give them everything they could have possibly asked for on this for a fair and even process. republicans rejected it, so they're going to have to live with the consequences. >> da...

American is this letter comes at the end of an illegitimate, sham, partisan process." that's an indication to me, chris, that the white house thinks that they're winning on the process argument, right? there have always been two tracks on this, the substance and the process. the white house has worked at pains to really try to question the process of all this. and when you look at the polling numbers, the fact that it hasn't moved all that much -- in some states, polls like in wisconsin, where the white house clearly thinks it's cutting in their favor. the question then becomes does the white ...

For the senate impeachment hearings which likely won't happen until 2020 now. and they want to make it seem like the senators who will be having an impeachment trial and then vote, you know, they can dismiss it easily because it's so partisan without having to address the merits of what the president actually did. so, to me, this whole house -- the public hearings, while they are very important and will consume really the next month and a half, they are setting the table for what will happen in the senate in the beginning of the year. >> jason, the -- as much as republicans wanted to ride this...