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Action one way or another irrespective of what they do, but everything we've done, the approach starts with coordinating allies and partners. >> all right. another way of ratcheting things up on the russians is zelenskyy suggested terminating russia's status. preferential trading status, most favored nation status. is that something we're considering? >> look, chuck, let me say this. there are a series of things that are out there that we're looking at to continue to ratchet up the pressure on vladimir putin for the purposes of getting him to end this aggression against ukraine, to stop this w...

Democratic presidents before him. this was something that putin knew not to mess with the united states. putin needs to know that again. we need to start standing up. why are we even ho-humming around the fact that we are still taking russian oil? why are we doing that? why would we take money from evil dictators? you never sleep with the devil because the devil then owns you. the europeans are finding that out now. we need to be smarter than that. >> thank you for coming on. hope to have you on again. very quickly, does donald trump's 2024 plans impact your 2024 plans? >> i have said if presi...

Commander, fiona hill, the author of "there is nothing for you here." i want to start with you and respond to ambassador haily and what she said about the trump administration's record on russian sanctions. she kept saying that, well, you know, he tried. how would you describe his efforts when it comes to punishing putin compared to the administration? >> well, i think just the one point that sums everything up that you yourself touched on. president trump at a pretty critical period withheld military assistance to ukraine that was desperate for it at that junction to get zelenskyy to do a per...

Bizarre location, speaking in to a group of flight attendants, he sounded incredibly angry. he sounded detached. he was talking about how the ukrainians here are machine gunning people, that they're driving around in cars packed with explosives jihadi style, and he went very deep and repeatedly on this theme that they're fighting against the nazis. it's the angriest i've ever seen him. >> richard engel in kyiv. richard, a reminder this is putin's war more than it is russia's war at least right now. kelly cobiella is on the border of poland. on the polish border with ukraine. the enormous num...

Ourselves. >> you heard secretary blinken, and that deal seems to be in motion, right, the trading of jets with the poles, right? >> yes. >> you heard zelenskyy saying, we're in favor of it if the entire alliance does it, too, which sounds like there is an interest in doing it unilaterally. is there support in congress for unilateral? >> i would say this, the people in my state of west virginia think it's foolish for us to keep buying products and keep giving money to putin to be able to use against the ukranian people. that's exactly what he's doing, so why wouldn't we leave? why wouldn't we ...