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As we've said, president-elect trump says he does not believe the russian hack terse tried to sway the presidential election in his favor. he's called the idea ridiculous. pro-democracy advocate, it makes total sense. in his book, "why winter is coming," he warned against the dangers of appeasing putin. and garry joins us now. you have no doubt russia is behind this. and do you believe -- you have no doubt about what their motive was? >> no, that's -- let's stick with the facts. vladimir putin, global propaganda machine, help trump to be elected. look at social media, the factors of trolls, th...

States. he didn't have to act because everybody knew that he would. you also write that all the nation -- many of the nations you talk about western europeened at united states that were essentially appeasing putin? >> absolutely. it was very convenient. everybody thought that, you know, the business was putin. and i think it's -- it was almost tragic that after putin's first act of aggression, when he invaded in 2008, at the time the republic of georgia president of the united states. barack obama and he is secretary of state hillary clinton. they offered a new sunshine policy. a re-set polic...

President of the united states. he didn't have to act because everybody knew that he would. you also write that all the nation -- many of the nations you talk about western europeened at united states that were essentially appeasing putin? >> absolutely. it was very convenient. everybody thought that, you know, the business was putin. and i think it's -- it was almost tragic that after putin's first act of aggression, when he invaded in 2008, at the time the republic of georgia president of the united states. barack obama and he is secretary of state hillary clinton. they offered a new sunshin...

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