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States. he didn't have to act because everybody knew that he would. you also write that all the nation -- many of the nations you talk about western europeened at united states that were essentially appeasing putin? >> absolutely. it was very convenient. everybody thought that, you know, the business was putin. and i think it's -- it was almost tragic that after putin's first act of aggression, when he invaded in 2008, at the time the republic of georgia president of the united states. barack obama and he is secretary of state hillary clinton. they offered a new sunshine policy. a re-set polic...

President of the united states. he didn't have to act because everybody knew that he would. you also write that all the nation -- many of the nations you talk about western europeened at united states that were essentially appeasing putin? >> absolutely. it was very convenient. everybody thought that, you know, the business was putin. and i think it's -- it was almost tragic that after putin's first act of aggression, when he invaded in 2008, at the time the republic of georgia president of the united states. barack obama and he is secretary of state hillary clinton. they offered a new sunshin...