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Acting attorney general that the president appointed didn't tell the truth to congress? no. >> listen, i mean -- i can't believe he came out -- the judge said, quote, the no collusion refrain runs through the entire defense memorandum, the no collusion mantra is simply a non sequitur and also no accurate because an investigation is still ongoing. and then she said, court is one of the places where facts still matter. matthew, she wasn't playing today but yet the attorney comes out and says the judge says there's no collusion. >> first of all, what does collusion mean? by that he means there's ...

Honestly and governance in aviation. >> this was strange because the u.s. has led from the beginning of flight. this is where flight first took off, the and rest of the world has often looked to the u.s. and on pushing forward with new technology and advancements and training of all of our aviation professionals on the front lines. we're seen as the world's leader on this, and this was just an odd, very strange set of circumstances where the u.s. was coming from behind here. and i think that it is an extension of what we saw during the shutdown as well. >> david, i had you on the other end, i ...

Judiciary committee, which is to say not looking so good. you know, this is a very serious allegation. once again you raise the prospect of was an official of the trump administration telling the truth in public? was he lying to congress? there are many allegations. i'm amazed by this, you know, but it shouldn't really be amazing or surprising at all to talk to your point about no collusion. and the president and not telling the truth about what happened in the manafort hearing today, seven different times -- i counted it seven times the president denied collusion and said that was the finding...

And there are a lot of people in our society, especially people of color or even poorer whites who didn't have a chance to go to college. there's one way they have a leg up especially people who are affluent and they don't get a chance to say just because i went to or my grandfather or someone went to this school, i get to go. that is in essence part of privilege. >> yeah, i mean, i think what this entire story allows for people who did know because there are many of us who always suspected or knew from first-hand experience or at least suspected that this is the case, is that this gives you a...

And people see all the rot at the top and they say, hey, why should i be the chump who dots every i and crosses every t when i'm struggling to get ahead? there's a lot of cheating among that squeezed middle. even among upper class people -- upper middle class people feel like they're struggling. and, you know, the role models in society are not so great, right? whether it's lance armstrong or the person who now sits in the white house. >> it's also interesting, too, jemele, when you talk about this -- when you talk about legacy, right? and there are a lot of people in our society, especially p...