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The impeachment and removal power is aimed at. they better come up with something else by way of defense if and when this thing goes to the senate, or there's not going to be much to talk about. >> but what do you make of a republican senate in which so far the no defense is an adequate defense for republican senators? >> well, it's no defense at all. you know, i don't know whether chief justice roberts, who presides over that trial, would have something to say about that. but there's a common misunderstanding here. people seem to think that the senate controls all those proceedings. the house...

Nixon action obstruction of congress. obstruction of justice by refusing to play the role that article ii assigns to the president of the united states. that's interfering with the proper workings of government. that's quite essentially what the impeachment and removal power is aimed at. they better come up with something else by way of defense if and when this thing goes to the senate or there's not going to be much to talk about. >> but what do you make of a republican senate in which so far the no defense is an adequate defense for republican senators? >> well, it's no defense at all. i don...