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House of representatives and appropriations always start in the house. if they want to make a cut, they've got the committees. let them make the cuts there and see what happens. >> you say this is going to get done, at the same time you say there will be no negotiations. how do you square that circle? >> simply. we're not going to negotiate the debt limit. that's something that the republicans did routinely during the trump administration. they didn't object to increasing the debt limit then. why are they doing it now? they want to play a political game risking the american economy, increasing...

There's a phi people, i think, who were consistent, like chip roy. chip roy has always been consistent on this. but a lot of people that i think are performance artists. >> do you see it this way, some of this was people wanting attention? >> i will agree about chip, he is very consistent in his radicalism, but some of the things he put forward could make the body better, but i also agree, don't be fooled by the smoke screen of the process. they are united about what they want to do on policy, which is to hold the american people hostage over the debt ceiling. they've been saying that for mont...

That is taking our seniors hostage. we have to be clear about this. all the talk about process and amendments and germaneness, that is cover for what they're really trying to do, which is dismantle the equities of our economy and to make sure that their billionaire buddies continue to thrive at the expense of hard-working american families. >> maybe you heard when i asked congressman roy about whether or not medicare and social security were mentioned when they talked about the negotiations. one of the key concessions mccarthy made to hardline republicans in exchange for support was to tie any...

That's the deal. the baseline for that balancing is 2022 spending. that doesn't mean there are automatic cuts to the defense budget. that will get worked out in the negotiation process. i think chip would agree with this, and the big thing they're trying to push is regular order. regular order where we set budget limits and push ahead appropriations bills. >> and anybody can introduce an amendment at the time through the legislative process. >> yes. makes it messy. makes it time-consuming but does make members feel they have a voice. the other thing we have to work together as a team now is le...

But we have demonstrated over the last two years when democrats are united and in charge, that we work for the american people. whether that's rebuilding infrastructure, gun safety, returning manufacturing to our shores, reducing health care costs and making sure we're investing in climate change. those are going to continue to be our priorities, and we hope that some republicans will be able to get to work for the american people. >> i don't doubt that they're going to bring up legislation to push forward a national abortion ban or perhaps cap spending when it comes to medicare, but those are...