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Advisor on obama care. will that solve the problems? steve hays is a fox news contributor. great to it see you. >> john podesta. what will he bring to the white house that dennis mcdonagh and val row jared can't do? >> we reported that the obama white house is inclined at this point to fight and start to take the issue of obama care to republicans and to try to make all of the failures that people are seeing across the specter of obama care and blame them for sabstaging the law. he is a fighter here in washington and respected in some quarters and he's feared. this is what the white house want...

Ago? >> i did not know that. this is bad for the media. >> the word was non-pareill. >> i couldn't even pronounce it. i could spell it. >> there you go. very impressive. i don't see how we are ending any time soon. this is rolling into the debt ceiling t. white house is sort of bracing. i think they thought beaner would basically have conceded by now on the shutdown and moved the debt ceiling. the fact that he hasn't. they're assuming this is going long term. senate democrats are assuming this is going long term. republicans i talked to yesterday foley better yesterday than they have felt abou...

Him. in general you're not seeing the kind of aggressive opposition to president obama among democrats the way you are seeing john boehner essentially can't lead his caucus to do anything right now and it's hard to negotiate and really hard to lead a group that won't follow you. >> susan, republicans think they have the leverage here. do they? >> well, they do in one regard, yes, they have -- they have the checkbook. they have the debt ceiling. but they're playing a really dangerous game here. firms first of all, on the pr front, it doesn't look like they're being the party of fiscal responsib...

Everybody and every single one of them went on local tv and local radio and said we have now passed a middle class tax extension, all the president has to do is sign it, you would have a totally different debate going on the next day. >> sean: this is what i feel is missing. the discussion, and as best i could, i'm trying to explain it, about conservative prime princi, about what's al at stake, and ai hear is or i sense a fear they don't want to go over the cliff and i sense a fear on the pr front and just even the president with the whole language of the debate seems like a defeat to me. >> i...

Everybody and every single one of them went on local tv and local radio and said we have now passed a middle class tax extension, all the president has to do is sign it, you would have a totally different debate going on the next day. >> sean: this is what i feel is missing. the discussion, and as best i could, i'm trying to explain it, about conservative prime princi, about what's al at stake, and ai hear is or i sense a fear they don't want to go over the cliff and i sense a fear on the pr front and just even the president with the whole language of the debate seems like a defeat to me. >> i...