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With it, then it's not an emergency. whatever the criteria is going to be, if it ends up in court and up to a judge to help figure it out, that is not the criteria. it's not like i lose politically and therefore a national emergency. i think they are going to have a very hard time going down that path. >> the weight undermines the argument it's an emergency. if you had that power a month ago, three months ago, a year ago, you could have used it. april, second option to you is the shutdown option. again, mitch mcconnell went to the president and said we can no longer hold the line for you, mr. ...

They had to act fast. >> errol, let me come to you and get in time for both of you to engage on this. the president at the wrap of his rose garden speech said if he doesn't get funds for his border wall. he could go with the national emergency, declaring this a national emergency. his white house visors and lawyers and republican congressmen are suggesting he should not go in that direction. how strong of a guidance is that and for this president as we heard from april doesn't take a lot of advice. >> i think he may be taking advice in this case because it was talked about widely and they sort...

Different because president trump talking about the border wall is the heart of the story that he told during the campaign. if you're a voter who tunes out some of the madness in washington and doesn't care about the daily battle, what you know is the trump story. t trump story is about a businessman get deals done on the other side and build a big wall. that was the essential story. what happened over the weekend here has challenged that essential story. so if this time is different, i think because it goes to the narrative of the president has been promoting the past three and a half years a...

Do at that point? >> well, you know, the thought is -- this doesn't make it so -- but the thought is when these people come in and they make -- and they are indicted or what have you and there are plea deals, if there are, they are offering themselves up for someone higher. when you talk about this ring of the trump campaign, the higher people are the family and i've always said that, you know, at the end of the day, by the end of the day, you could have the name trump as someone indicted whether it's the president or a child or children, that is a whole other thing. but there is an expectatio...

Venezuela it needs to keep those diplomats safe. listen. >> i want to be 100% clear. president trump and i fully expect that our diplomats will continue to receive protections provided under the -- >> now you have the united states in a number of other countries supporting guaido. other countries, including france and spain have given venezuela eight days to hold free and fair selections and if that doesn't happen, they say they will also view guaido as the leader. there was hopes that some of