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If you, if you are in a mall, a shopping mall, a grocery store, and no one in there is carrying concealed. then, that is in essence, a gun-free, i'll call it area instead of zone because i think there's some confusion about what a gun-free zone is. that is a legal term where you cannot carry a gun. no one can. but what i'm talking about is these gun-free areas thaw may walk through every day and you don't even know it. you're in the mall, you're in, you're in the grocery store --. >> he pushed back hard on this saying that is never going to happen. he was urging you to even drop that so as for...

Right? >> you absolutely have to make a plan. and the best thing you can do to survive once you have a plan is talk to your entire family. a lot of people don't do that. they come up with things like, you know -- they make a plan and they say well, i think i'm going to do this and do that, but they never talk about it with their entire family and it's critical to do that, because there's more than just yourself. >> we have a screen of some of your tips, get in a low lying area like a basement or safe room. >> exactly. into a basement or safe room. if you're outside, i know you guys were talkin...