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If you're counting new york senator kirsten gillibrand is ending her campaign after failing tore qualify for the third debate next month. only 10 candidates met the threshold to make it to the stage. we're back with our a-team jessica tarlov and amos snead. were you surprised she pulled out? >> i was surprised she pulled out when she did. there was a last minute campaign going on. if you gave her a dollar she would send you a t-shirt worth $40 which doesn't make a lot of sense mathematically. i was surprised at the timing of it. >> jon: get more donors. >> she was going to be -- unlikely she w...

Absurd rules, the senate requires 60 votes on everything, in order to get the 50 vote treatment under reconciliation, we have to follow the budget act of 1974. it doesn't speak to the quality of the policy and it's trying to manipulate the numbers and gain the system -- >> by using gimmicks. >> with andrea mitchell on "meet the press" just now, he used the same language, it's a gimmick. is that a positive argument for a tax bill saying it's a gimmick? >> in order to make it work the senate will have to abide by the rules, and the bird rule doesn't allow for a deficit impact. it's politically s...

White house, the president is not going to sign a bill that raises taxes on the middle house. >> the house passed their version of tax reform and the senate is planning to follow suit after thanksgiving. but with headlines like this one, the legislation is vulnerable, to say the least. thank you guys all for being here. let's start with what mull veina mulvaney said this morning on with jake tapper. he asked why the senate bill makes the corporate taxes permanent but the individual tax cuts expire. listen. >> maybe this is permanent and this is not and maybe the estate taxes double for a coupl...

Repealed? >> two things going on there. the first is there are people -- when the individual mandate goes away, the point is it raises the price of everybody else. if you are buying health care on the exchanges and a whole bunch of people drop out of the market, the prices go up. that's why they want to do this. they are actively trying to destroy the working obamacare exchanges. it's not just that some people won't choose to get health insurance, and it's going to raise the prices for everybody else. the second thing is, you heard mulvaney himself when he described it as a gimmick, and they s...