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Strategy as political terrorism. that's a strong word, do you stand by that? >> i do, the definition of terrorism is fear, striking fear in the hearts of people to get to a political end. that's what's happening. fear of missing a paycheck which now happened. fear of not paying your bills. fear of missing services, and fear on southern border. border patrol agents aren't being paid. that use of leverage, it is, in a way, inciting terror. kristin: well, president trump kind of counters that, saying he believes that the democrats are the ones holding the furloughed federal employees hostage so t...

Then he had the backlash from ann coulter and rush limbaugh. i think he made a real mistake there. i think actually he blinked. i think if he had gone ahead and done what i wanted to do -- >> let me put this up. i don't think that ann coulter and rush limbaugh has more control than donald trump does. >> trump tweeted after the meeting was, quote, a total waste of time. he believes he has the upper hand. >> oh, i don't think so. i think he realizes he's in trouble and he's trying every tactic he can think of to try to convince the democrats to cave. i think he probably also realizes that the de...

That's not a negotiation. they're not going to agree to the wall. he had it right the first time when he said, i'm not going to get the wall and i don't want to shut the government down. then he had the backlash from ann coulter and rush limbaugh. i think he made a real mistake there. i ti i think actually he blinked. i think if he had gone ahead and wa done what i wanted to do -- >> let me put this up. trump tweeted after the meeting was, quote, a toast waste tal w time. he believes he has the upper hand. >> oh, i don't think so. i think he realizes he's in trouble and he's trying every tacti...

A look at this government scientist from california says today we ate dinner at the local food bank and took home some free produce this shutdown has been opening to my own privilege. in never before knowing where or when food bank meals were and it's not just government workers who are affected take a look here i am a small factory owner with government orders that are on hold while deadlines stay in place should i send my thirty workers home should i pay them from a credit line will faults and prayers help. maybe there's a lot of prayer going on but that's about it i mean there was not reall...

Advancing, working with the rare disease community, really advancing a lot of these cures and i don't know the ing from w says. they're not working on it right now. if they're not, they need to look at it again and see if they can do something about it. >> ana, i want to play something the president said, it was on sunday, actually. let's play this. >> i can relate and i'm sure that the people that are on the receiving end will make adjustment. they always do. and they'll make adjustment. people understand exactly what's going on. >> he's obviously talking in general about people who, you know...