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Okay. you see them, but not that many. if i were doing poorly, if i saw myself going down, if you would stop calling me because you no longer have any interest in trump because he has no chance -- i'd go ba being to my business. i have no problem with that. >> so, matt, as chuck todd pointed out on "meet the press," donald trump may be slipping but he's still in the lead. it is the second and third spots where we're seeing the fluctuation. >> you know, tamron, it's why he's such an interesting candidate. those answers he just gave. he's talking about maybe exiting the race if his polls aren't ...

Pretty low, so you've got a lot of folks trying it out. >> it is, but i have to say i keep coming back to people like paul ryan, jeb bush and chris christie. and i think those numbers are actually really poor when you think about how well known they are. >> sure. >> when you go to a rand paul who really hasn't been around the national stage and he's the guy. so to me all numbers aren't equal when you look at it in that way. >> absolutely. and you look at rand paul, less well known than these others and the most popular among republicans at this point. that gives a big wake-up call to some of t...

>> let me move you to new polling we saw this week, we talked about the president's numbers in the open and i want to remind you the polling on the republican party positive 22% and negative 53%. what does that tell you about the midterm elections a year from today with the republican party at such a -- held in such low esteem by voters? >> well, candy, what i think it tells you is that the american people from the president, obviously, the president's poll numbers aren't doing well, either. they want leadership and to get things done and they didn't appreciate the government shut down. i didn...

His mind about guns? katrina. he was trying to get out. he was part of the evacuation. he was in the car with his family, a couple thousand dollars and nothing but a heavy book to throw at anybody. katrina changed it all for him. after that he became a gun enthusiast. >>brian: would he told you about what they're doing in tennessee to crack down on welfare. they want to get kids to go to school and excel at school. to do that, they're hitting parents in their pocketbooks. for kids that aren't doing well, that are not excelling, they're going to cut between 20% and 30% of their welfare payments...

Brackets and high school drop-outs aren't doing well and represent a smaller amount of spending than the prop, you know, 50%, and the higher 20% is doing better than anybody. so-- >> you tax the higher end people and they're not going to hire. you tax the higher end people and they're not going to hire those people and it's going to get worse and worse. >> i could hire ten people in the last three weeks, nothing to do with tax rates, nobody wakes up in the morning, i'm going to spend 1% more, so i'm going after a business opportunity. >> but you're tobin smith and-- >> and you brought us-- >> ...