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And they were betting the american people were too stupid to care or too dumb to notice. >> laura: may have the veil of transparency now, we're going to open it up -- what exactly are they opening up? what? >> very little. but are they going to do? how do they go back and recreate seven weeks of secret hearings? how do they go back and fix that? and i suppose they are going to have some in open session now, but are they going to bring in the same witnesses and ask the same questions? as we said earlier, the transcripts aren't enough. you need to see these witnesses. >> laura: it's like putting...

One of the first people to realize that. people have to fall in line sooner or later. >> but, rick, if the transcript of the phone call isn't enough, if the text messages aren't enough, if the very public plea to china to investigate a political opponent is not enough, what will it take for republicans to be outraged at the president's actions? >> john, what we know about this president, what we know about the republican members of the senate in particular is they are terrified of this man. they are terrified of his mob. they are terrified of his tweeting. they are terrified if he says somethi...

Donald trump, the guy trying to cheat to win an election, go ahead on on foreign interference, or are you going to stand on the other side and support democracy and free and fair elections? you can't hide out in this forever. i think romney happened to figure out he had to make a choice first and was one of the first people to realize that. people have to fall in line sooner or later. >> but rick, if the transcript of the phone call isn't enough, if the text messages aren't enough, if the very public plea to china to investigate a political opponent is not enough, what will it take for republi...

18. so they may not count. >> i'm of the belief in political journalism that nothing is a coincidence. when i woke up and saw ed rendell wrote an op-ed in "the washington post" accusing elizabeth warren of hypocrisy on accepting major donations, i was like, huh. that's interesting that a major joe biden supporter is all of a sudden calling elizabeth warren a hypocrite. does that mean there might be more direct confrontation from team biden or the rest of the political world to elizabeth warren? >> what was his thought? a turtle on a fence post? yeah. i do think not just something like the rend...

Checks, background checks. 18 months ago after parkland, florida, where, what, 16, 17 staff and students died, he said, oh, maybe we'll raise the age on weapons. he said it after other mass shootings and then he talked, for example, to as he did weeks ago the nra had wayne lapierre on the phone. any talk of doing anything sort of evaporates. you get this word salad like yesterday culminating in the fact, well, if we did background checks, that wouldn't help anyway. background checks aren't enough. we need a ban on semiautomatic weapons. we need to raise the age on ownership. we need to talk ab...