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Have a situation where trump is hearing what he wants to hear and it's not exactly reality. so that's that part of it. i briefed bob mueller every working day for a year. and i never saw him lose his temper in a way that i would call it yelling that i would think he was angry. in fact, he only raised his voice with me once and he promptly apologized for it when he did need to. it was worth getting angry over. but it wasn't yelling. that's not the guy i got to know. >> so democrats are going to take control of the house. some in the party have brought up impeachment. you have this book called "...

While he's president talking bad about his political opponents, that was not the norm. that actually was changing the norms. it was so different for the time that that was an impeachment article against him. we're used to articles being things like obstruction of justice, being things like abuse of power against andrew johnson, they had some of those but they had one article of impeachment he's saying bad things about congress. i can't messenger that happening now constitutionally. is that a reason to remove a president from office? probably not but there are a whole bunch of other methods you...

That could happen within days of the democratic majority coming in. but the conviction in the senate, two-thirds is a high bar. >> you said you don't use the term collusion, right? you want to call it criminal. >> talk together attorney who's do this stuff they will say collusion has no specific legal meaning. they end up going to criminal conspiracy or issues like that. if the mueller investigation turns up actual criminal conspiracy, then we've got an interesting thing going on because that might move the ball forward a little bit. based on what we've seen so far, any democratic impeachment ...

It was so different for the time that that was an impeachment article against him. we're used to articles being things like obstruction of justice, being things like abuse of power. against andrew johnson, they had some of those but they had one article of impeachment he's saying bad things about congress. i can't imagine that happening now constitutionalitily. is that a reason to remove a president from office? probably not but there are a whole bunch of other methods you can do to weaken or remove a president that aren't impeachment. >> don't ask me that question. there are a lot of ways a p...

Impeachment originally was designed to be a stern rebuke in and of itself. that's not the lesson of the clinton impeachment. the lesson is if you fail to convict the president, the president wins. clinton's ratings went up during the impeachment trial. >> so criminal conspiracy. let's just say for the sake of argument, okay, they find that. still doesn't mean he has to leave office. is that what you're saying. > that's right. bill clinton did, andrew johnson did in the 1860s. that can happen. if you're convicted and remove of course, then you're out. but the most likely scenario is that an imp...