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Brian: so cold and bias by admission so to speak. one of the nation's most well known papers the "new york times" says truth is more important than ever. "times" and "the washington post" say democracy do i dies in darkness. the post ignored the bombshell story then of susan rice unmasking members of the trump administration that came out over the weekend. so why aren't journalists the story up even regardless of their take or what they hope will happen? let's ask managing editor britney hughes. britney, how do you explain the lack of interest, let alone the editorial where they want to dismis...

Brian williams. i wanted to put up a tweet from a viewer who asked me this morning, we're talking at this point about almost a dozen apparent cases of misstatements. in any other industry wouldn't these be called lies? aren't journalists supposed to hold polices accountable in the same way? why are these being called embellishments and not lies? >> because it's not clear to me in some of these cases that they rise to the level of an outright lie. a couple of months ago when this controversy first emerged, kimberly dozier, who almost lost her life in iraq actually noted that when she went back ...

Outcome. martha: the backlash against woodward, oh, he is old. >> right. martha: here is the great bob woodward. obviously he just doesn't get it. >> right. martha: one of the things i want to ask you about, juan, there is such a new culture in the media today. there is blogosphere. how you get called a journalist is sort of an open question right now. you can be one if you say you're one. i wonder if this sort of cool, young, administration, that we have, that has such an appeal to so many people in this sort of new media, if they don't feel kind of slapped in the face when they do a real sto...

They would throw us out so quickly bill they wouldn't know what hit us. those standards haven't changed. what's changed is the media landscape. ed schultz and a lot of others on cable tv aren't journalists. we were journalists. they are not journalists. this is where it gets tricky. but they do shows where they sit in front of, you know, in back of desks that look like anchor desks. they interview news makers, they talk about the news of the day. it's sort of, kind of, looks like journalism but it isn't journalism. >> bill: that's an important point. ed schultz primarily is a radio talk show g...

About them. they would throw us out so quickly bill they wouldn't know what hit us. those standards haven't changed. what's changed is the media landscape. ed schultz and a lot of others on cable tv aren't journalists. we were journalists. they are not journalists. this is where it gets tricky. but they do shows where they sit in front of, you know, in back of desks that look like anchor desks. they interview news makers, they talk about the news of the day. it's sort of, kind of, looks like journalism but it isn't journalism. >> bill: that's an important point. ed schultz primarily is a radio...