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Say that he has charisma, he is a smart guy, but he agreed with ali when he said, he's policy light. yeah, he is policy light. is that something that buttigieg needs to take in and use on the campaign trail where he needs to come up with stronger policy stances in order to rise in the polls? >> i think the voters are looking for some specific policy proposals. and i think you see that especially with elizabeth warren, who really leans on her background as an educator, breaking down complicated policy ideas into a digestible format for voters of all stripes to understand what her goals are. i t...

Know what happened, we take information and line it up into a pretty line. this is saddam had wmd, he used wmd against his own citizens. >> he did. >> and therefore -- yes, he did. we take that into a straight line and say, it must be because he's spending so much capital avoiding the u.n. that he still has it. we don't know what happened here. we're coming up with stories to explain p. >> what do you think? >> you know, sean, the assumption in that analysis is that there's a lead country and someone who's looking at the facts and getting rid of certain items as not truthful or not believable....

A pretty line. this is saddam had wmd, he used wmd against his own citizens. >> he did. >> and therefore -- yes, he did. we take that into a straight line and say, it must be because he's spending so much capital avoiding the u.n. that he still has it. we don't know what happened here. we're coming up with stories to explain p. >> what do you think? >> you know, sean, the assumption in that analysis is that there's a lead country and someone who's looking at the facts and getting rid of certain items as not truthful or not believable. we don't have a country that's leading this, we do have the...