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Military who balk when they realize they're killing ukrainians. these aren't nazis, nato soldiers. these are people that 30 years ago were their own countrymen and there will be some balking about that, even within his own forces. >> and yarussia will have casualties, too, right? >> there will be casualties. but we can't count on that. i think when putin looks at the calculus, he's factored that in. the more we do to reinforce the notion of powerful sanctions against him, the better. the more we do to assist ukraine in defending itself, the better. and we keep the door open to talking. that's ...

Matthew had to say. our chancellor at the university of tennessee in knoxville did an excellent job. she understood this group had a right to speak on a public university. however she took the measures necessary to bring in law enforcement officers to protect students as well as everyone on campus. griff: so election election ilexie, let me backup. he has been sympathetic to the views of adolf hitler and this group protesting obviously does not want that on their campus. what isn't clear is while the group was chanting and i watched all the video against an early part of the evening against na...

To protect everyone involved. griff: great point. >> we will see the officers and how the officers are protecting the nazis on campus. todd: talk about undermining your message. lexie thank you so much. that was amazing insight this morning and have a great day. attorney general jeff sessions speaking out about recusing himself from the doj russia probe. does he think he should have? that's coming up. rachel: plus a florida teacher posts about gun violence is going viral after the school shooting. her message that every parent should hear coming up. and the nx hybrid with a class beating 31 mp...

Leadership institute's campus reform, we have to deal with these cases a lot. we have to deal with left leaning students who don't understand why cops are on campus. cops are on campus to protect students because, unfortunately, we use phrases like white supremacy and neo nazi to describe people like this presidency who aren't white supremacists and who aren't nazis so students. the phrase is being watered down. so whenever an what white supremacist or nazi comes on campus we have to have law enforcement officers to protect students because they don't know what a white supremacist is. rachel: ...

Mentioned, it's standard, lots of people say this about the president. now, she didn't say that -- she didn't lie about him. she didn't say he wasn't born in this country. >> that's a good point. i should also note while we're having this conversation that nbc did not sever ties with donald trump when he was running around the country of being born in kenya and manufacturing a birth certificate. one should note that that was not a fieshl offense in this context. part of it to me has to do with these terms white supremacist in the wake of charlottesville and nazi. i see people using that a lot....