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And also i think words matter. these aren't raids. these are targeted law enforcement operations. and in this case, this was a joint criminal investigation with i.c.e. and the department of justice targeting work site enforcement meaning companies that knowingly and willfully hire illegal aliens so that in most cases they could pay them reduced wages, exploit them further for their bottom line. that is what this investigation was about. a criminal investigation, jake. >> so i want to get to that in one second. just to get your exact quote and you're right, you didn't say violent, you said quot...

Governments, please from your heart. -- >> you and the president said a few weeks ago that the pending i.c.e. raids would be focused on violent criminals. that is not what happened here in mississippi. why not? >> well so first of all, i never said that the raids as you call were focused on violent criminals. i've never said that. and also i think words matter. these aren't raids. these are targeted law enforcement operations. and in this case, this was a joint criminal investigation with i.c.e. and the department of justice targeting worksite enforcement meaning companies that knowingly and w...

Obama administration and you saw the numbers go down at the southwest border. it had a positive impact on the crisis. the numbers go down, the crisis is helped. >> but context matters. let me ask you something, there's all these secrets around what you did this weekend. be straight with my audience. how many people did you round up? >> you're talking about another agency. i know i did just come there -- >> you're the i.c.e. commissioner. who's going to know if you don't? >> because i'm the cbp commissioner right now. i.c.e. handles that. what i would say, here's something important for the ame...

Against a million people, trying to round them up when you're overwhelmed at the border. deal with the border first and then do the roundup. >> i disagree with the analogy. if you enforce -- we did this under the obama administration. we removed families under the obama administration and you saw the numbers go down at the southwest border. it had a positive impact on the crisis. you remove them on the back end, it has a positive impact on the front end. the numbers go down, the crisis is helped. >> but context matters. let me ask you something, there's all these secrets around what you did th...

Operations. john, thank you for being with us. these raids are sparking outrage in some cities. one i.c.e. official says they were originally planned under the president obama administration. this is just business as usual. we know the raids are targeting homes and businesses, some nonfelons have been arrested. although the majority we know in california were those with a criminal and violent criminal history. what's your take on what we're seeing in this past week? is it business as usual? >> it may be business as usual with regards to how they're targeting is taking place. but what tells me ...