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Non-covid-related problems. and oftentimes, because there is not enough bed or there is an anticipated surge of patients, the hospital has to go on diversion. so you have a situation where that affects non-covid patients, as well. people who, you know, aren't sick from covid, vaccinated and boosted not dealing with the problems of covid. >> dr. wen, in randi's piece, you said cloth masks essentially are just window dressing or facial dressing. is that really -- i mean, you -- you -- people should not wear cloth masks? >> my point in saying this is not to say we shouldn't wear cloth masks if th...

Of all these patients. >> when you said diversion, what, asking people not to take some surgeries? >> yeah, so diversion basically you have a triage center in the hospital. so, you know, people are calling in. ambulances calling in saying can we bring patients to your hospital with, you know, whatever problem may be. non-covid-related problems. and oftentimes, because there is not enough bed or there is an anticipated surge of patients, the hospital has to go on diversion. so you have a situation where that affects non-covid patients, as well. people who, you know, aren't sick from covid, vacc...

Now, these mayors are entitled to the their opinion, but it's my opinion how can i put this? it's probably their age that tricks people into thinking they are adults. most americans understand and the fact is that without order, there can be no justice. the fact is that without order, there can be no civilization. the fact is that there are some people -- i wish it weren't so, but there are some people in our society who aren't sick, who aren't mixed up, who aren't confused, it's not that their momma or daddy didn't love them enough, they are just bad. or at least they do very bad things. and ...

Blasio. >> the folks who are out sick and really aren't sick, the folks who are faking it are doing immense disservice to the people of this city and to their fellow members in service. we will make sure there are consequences for that. >> joining me now is an fdny union leader jim mccarthy, the president of the uniformed fire officers association. jim, thank you so much for being with us. a sickout, estimated at 2,300. isn't that irresponsible for firefighters to do that? >> well, i don't agree with the mayor and his description of what is going on. >> it's not as -- >> during this time -- >>...

>> i haven't gotten into like the ultimate ego thing yet. that might come later. >> elisabeth: no, no, no. >> yeah. i like emily ratakowski. >> elisabeth: we like you, too. thank you for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> elisabeth: pop in and say hey on twitter. >> steve: stop by any time. >> thank you. >> brian: aren't sick of the song, are you? >> i hear it a lot. >> brian: good job. coming up on this show, this story had so many of you fired up, a kid in trouble at school for playing with a toy gun in his own yard. now there is a big update and you won't like it. >> elisabeth: oh, no....