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But it's not the leadership. and they wanted to cut the budget $3 trillion more than paul ryan over the next ten years and balance the budget by 2020, not 2040 as ryan would do. i pointed out some of the specific cuts that would mean. bigger cuts in medicaid. bigger -- getting, raising the retirement age for social security much sooner than any of the other plans would. she kind of backed off that. she said these are goals, these aren't specifics. one of the interesting thing where she kind of backed off was on medicare. the republicans are taking the real hit right now because of the fact tha...

Hit. it's too late to run away from it. pass something. jam it down the throats, which is the republican expression for this process because, if you don't, you lose more. >> bret: you know, we should point out there isn't a white house bill per se. there are ideas. the congressional budget office can't even score what the house put out this week. yet, because they say there aren't specifics. and, usually people negotiate over a specific bill that's laid out. there won't be one on the table. charles? >> right. well, that's because the event thursday is not a real event about real numbers. thee ...

All the members will take the hit. it's too late to run away from it. pass something. jam it down the throats, which is the republican expression for this process because, if you don't, you lose more. >> bret: you know, we should point out there isn't a white house bill per se. there are ideas. the congressional budget office can't even score what the house put out this week. yet, because they say there aren't specifics. and, usually people negotiate over a specific bill that's laid out. there won't be one on the table. charles? >> right. well, that's because the event thursday is not a real e...