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Say they get preferential treatment. they have the opportunity to become more popular than -- than, you know, than some african-american or other race artists. i think that because they are white they, you know, they get -- they sometimes get more -- they get more air play. they get more, they're on more talk shows. they're, you know, sought out by more people because they are more mainstream and macklemore is clean cut. he's not some fly-by-night kid. he's been in the business for a long time, i mean, you know. i don't think -- i don't think that he won because he was white. i think he -- may...

What's bad for business, it's bad for people with the policies. the policies so expensive our employees even though they pay for the policies they can't afford to use them, the deductibles are so high and scattered. that's the one thing people aren't talking about. >> tell me if obama care is good or bad for your business and tell me briefly what kind of business you have. >> citrus gift shipping business. we ship gift citrus all over the united states in the season. obama care has been good for our business. it has lowered our health care cost in 2011 by about $9600. i feel better about it be...

Policies. the policies so expensive our employees even though they pay for the policies they can't afford to use them, the deductibles are so high and scattered. that's the one thing people aren't talking about. >> tell me if obama care is good or bad for your business and tell me briefly what kind of business you have. >> citrus gift shipping business. we ship gift citrus all over the united states in the season. obama care has been good for our business. it has lowered our health care cost in 2011 by about $9600. i feel better about it because it gives us protection for premiums and loss rat...

Cause. that's a lower threshold than beyond a reasonable doubt which is required to convict somebody, you still need probable cause and a lie detector test, the results of that do not meet that threshold alone unless the police have something else they're not saying right now. it doesn't seem that way so, no, it's not likely she's going to be arrested unless there's more to it that the police aren't talking about. gregg: they're not saying the mother is a suspect, and they're not suggesting there are any other persons of interest right now, and yet they've convened a grand jury which kind of s...

Of giving the republican party advice. to the independents and 17 million people not working in the jobs they want to be working in, they think this entire conversation is ludicrous. and when it comes time to vote, they're going to pull the lever for barack obama, talking about jobs, national security and here you have the fringe republicans you have the fringe republicans you have the fringe you have the fringe out here talking about issues they aren't talking about. >> i want to get back to this train here. >> this ridiculous issue. >> pat, you suspect he wasn't qualified for harvard. they'r...