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Second, even the appetizers that gary cohn was talking about for the middle class, remember he said, being able to renovate a kitchen, go on vacation or buy a car. he's either got a time machine that's taking him back to the 1950s. >> you mean with that $1,000. >> or he's just totally delusional. the appetizer that the middle class are being offered in this bill are basically peanut butter, celery it's not even pigs in a blanket. it's insulting. it's a total tax adjustment including multi-trillions of dollars added to the deficit, so i think, if any, one looks at it seriously they're going to ...

Information so there's -- we know the people fairly well and i think what we're really looking at is how they go about using legal precedent to advance the constitutional protections to current situations. >> let's turn to the gulf oil spill. i know you've been quite vocal on this. let's get real. aren't taxpayers going to be left holding the bill for some of this. i notice the department of justice has asked for $10 million to deal with will costs and the cost frankly of getting money out of bp and the other companies. is there really any way for the federal government not to be left holding ...

>> jurors of our peers don't know what they're doing, a whole nother debate. there is very little that has to do anything with controlling cost because you can't pass a bill to control the healthcare cost because it offends people. we're lucky we got the pigeon thing with the cadillac tax. my god, giving people a break to get a $40 million healthcare plan. don't cut that! the tort thing is one of many things you can do to control healthcare costs. forcing people to be healthy on government healthcare plan. instead, we have increasing of spending, very little to control cost. >> cheryl: but at ...