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There's an old adage, you can't convince somebody of the truth if they are intent on believing a lie. i think part of the problem here is political. the base that got donald trump does not like you, they don't like your party or what you represent. they would rather believe him in the hope that he will make their life better. they will support him even though they don't believe what he's saying because they don't like you. how can you win these people back? they matter. >> they absolutely matter. there are going to be some people that can't be won over. you're right. they're going to believe w...

Guy bathhouses? >> it is about insurance actuaries and if they determine things cost more money then you see insurance premiums g. the rest of us are hit with the costs. if gay bars were costing everyone a great deal of money and we were picking up the tab you might see enforcement there. that is not the case. >> why do you say it is not the case. >> if we are picking up the tab? >> geraldo: aren't the majority of aids patients on some kind of government coverage because the aids medication costs so much money. >> aids doesn't only affect homosexuals. >> and illegal drug use. mostly in this co...

>> it is about insurance actuaries and if they determine things cost more money then you see insurance premiums g. the rest of us are hit with the costs. if gay bars were costing everyone a great deal of money and we were picking up the tab you might see enforcement there. that is not the case. >> why do you say it is not the case. >> if we are picking up the tab? >> geraldo: aren't the majority of aids patients on some kind of government coverage because the aids medication costs so much money. >> aids doesn't only affect homosexuals. >> and illegal drug use. mostly in this country it is homo...