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They are saying they giving money on health care and pension and that is what you asked for. >> it is not. certainly we need the 5 and 12% on the pension and health care which is well be low what most people are paying outside of government here in wisconsin. beyond that, as a local official in the past, i saw this all the time at the school district level, many of our districts because of collective bargaining are forced to buy their health insurance from the state teachers's union company. when we pass this bill the school districts will no longer be mandated, saving 68 million dollars a yea...

>> greta: is this a surprise or is this the platform he ran on as governor? >> the governor has never, if you can show me tape where he has said this, the governor has never ever campaigned to get rid of collective bargaining rights. he has always said, i've had three or four conversations with him, he has always said that he is going to ask for state workers to pay into their pensions. ask for state workers to pay into health insurance premiums. he's never campaigned on getting rid of collective bargaining rights. this is a clear attack on the middle class. you won't have one person out here ...