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Issues the credit card. they don't make interest on penalties but on the swipe fee. you go to a restaurant and the restaurant pays 3 percent to visa for the card use and the legislation that nancy pelosi pushed and supported had nothing to do with swipe fees, it does not affect visa. two other bills, one came from committee and bipartisan support never made it to the house of representatives floor because she would not bring it it was delayed for two years and the swipe fees became part of the reform package when introduced on the senate side. >>alisyn: this is hardly just nancy pelosi, we are...

Many of us were hurt, i finally said, why are we doing this? and why aren't there laws in the united states that stop this insanity of having these animals being -- >> larry: we're talking about seaworld. >> i know we are. it's basically all the same thing. the whales are in a place where if you were to -- they were given birth in an ocean for a reason. they need that amount of water. >> larry: we have a note by the way, rick made allegations about seaworld. we have not been able to confirm them as our cnn check crew was not able to confirm them. we'll continue our debate right after these qui...

With the lions and tigers that are born in the united states to be sold as pets. i formed the preserve through the foundation that i founded. i've had one on one dealings with these animals, and after so many of us were hurt, i finally said, why are we doing this? and why aren't there laws in the united states that stop this insanity of having these animals being -- >> larry: we're talking about seaworld. >> i know we are. it's basically all the same thing. the whales are in a place where if you were to -- they were given birth in an ocean for a reason. they need that amount of water. >> we ha...