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And he had to, to have not brought this to the attention of the president of the united states, i think questions have to be asked was it not brought to the president's attention? if that is the case, because of the political concerns? so the national curt and politics, which comes first? who cares who is president? our country is on the line. our security is on the line. and our c.i.a. director was apparently distracted enough by this, whatever this was, that he was sending scores of e-mails from a personal account. this is insanity. that is not just tragic. national concern. i think we have ...

Brought this to the attention of the president of the united states, i think questions have to be asked was it not brought to the president's attention? if that is the case, because of the political concerns? so the national curt and politics, which comes first? who cares who is president? our country is on the line. our security is on the line. and our c.i.a. director was apparently distracted enough by this, whatever this was, that he was sending scores of e-mails from a personal account. this is insanity. that is not just tragic. national concern. i think we have a congress who better inves...

In the interview, and he said there will be some beneficiary cuts. so, you know, there is a difference, but it's -- you know, this is the agony in all of this. why aren't we talking about it in the presidential campaign? why aren't we -- why are we having these sound bites and this denial? why don't we get down and talk about the real -- hopefully tonight they will. >> it should be fascinating tonight. i can't imagine that they get around being asked directly about specifics. and i can't imagine them getting around being asked to tell the truth. >> you know, let us hope, though, mark mckinnon ...

We saw it behind the scenes. we saw the oz, the curtains being parted. so now say, okay, at the end of the day, this is what people saw, seize the moment. >> but romney is no thatcher. >> listen, i mean, look at how many serial gaffes then add up to the portrait of a character. because we know people don't listen to arguments. they listen to sound bites. they listen to an accumulated portrait of a candidate that keep keeps emerging in different ways. what we've seen a stumble at the convention. >> hold on, donny. >> we've seen a stumble convention. we have seen something i thought revealed not...

Powerful here are the special interest groups who give $30 million, $40 million, $50 million to keep the status quo going. there's only so many frebies you can give the to the rich. >> who are -- >> higher wages that they got in the new deal, trial lawyers, it was just -- there's a whole city full. >> but i guess the question i would have about that phillip is that i understand money came to stored elections, especiallily when you get lower on the ballot, but aren't we talking on a certainly level also here, when you start talking about restrictions and you start talking about new laws, we're ...