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Certain industries like the financial industry but in this case they have right to step in, the government, they have to step in, obviously the fines, fining them is not -- that's no getting it done, rob, so you're right, the rule of law has to be enforced. someone has to go to jail. the people that did this are crooks and i have to say, not across the board, it's too bad that a few bad actors have ruined it and are casting a dark cloud over the whole financial industry because there are people who really do want to help you at wells fargo n this case, they need to catch the crooks, puts them ...

He backs down to wrap this up, average levels of aggression aren't working, tucker. so instead of dialling it back, they're going to like hyper aggression at this point. that's where we are now, which really worries me. >> tucker: supposedly -- twice three times this week, i thought if this were obama who went to helsinki and met with putin and i never liked obama. i thought he was bad for america. all of a sudden republican leaders are calling him a traitor, would i say yeah, he's a traitor or would i say what do you mean by that? where are the responsible people on the left. it's okay to not...

Minute it comes out, he backs down. therefore, to wrap this up, he -- average levels of aggression aren't working. so they're going to hyper aggression at this point. and that's where we are now, which really worries me. >> but it's supposedly responsible people doing this. three times this week i thought, now if this were obama who went to helsinki and met with putin -- and i never liked obama. i thought he was bad for america. and all the sudden they called him a traitor. would i sit back and say, yeah, he's a traitor, or would i say, what do you mean by that? why are they sitting back and a...

He backs down to wrap this up, average levels of aggression aren't working, tucker. so instead of dialling it back, they're going to like hyper aggression at this point. that's where we are now, which really worries me. >> tucker: supposedly -- twice three times this week, i thought if this were obama who went to helsinki and met with putin and i never liked obama. i thought he was bad for america. all of a sudden republican leaders are calling him a traitor, would i say yeah, he's a traitor or would i say what do you mean by that? where are the responsible people on the left. it's okay to not...

Now, you can argue that's a harsh policy they didn't need to enforce the law, but the laws themselves aren't working. there are people in here that can't be processed. you don't have the right resources. there's a lot within the system not getting fixed and the charge from the republicans to the democrats is and you're watching it burn. you could have fixed it before and you didn't, not you, you're a governor. they're talking about congress. and now you're playing to an advantage and hoping it helps you in the elections instead of working to fix the system you know is broken. fair criticism? >...