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You are the person who will shake things up. >> david brooks isn't here. >> we're relying on you. let's get to health care. we'll hear from kathleen sebelius in a few minutes. her first interview since resigning her post. mike murphy, i turn to you. but first ezra klein writing this, obamacare has won, and that's why secretary of health and human services kathleen sebelius can resign. the evidence has piled up in recent weeks that the strategy worked. obamacare's first year despite a horrific start was a success. more than 7 million people looked to have signed up for health insurance through ...

Mike murphy i turn from you. but first ezra klein writing this, obamacare has won, and that's why secretary of health and human services kathleen sebelius can resign. the evidence has piled up in recent weeks that the strategy worked. obamaca obamacare's first year despite a horrific start was a success. more than 7 million people looked to have signed up for health insurance through the exchanges. millions more have changed up through medicaid. millions beyond that have signed up for insurance through their employers. so the argument being, hey, good time to step down. >> well, it's a time ho...

Mike murphy i turn from you. but first ezra klein writing this, obamacare has won, and that's why secretary of health and human services kathleen sebelius can resign. the evidence has piled up in recent weeks that the strategy worked. obamaca obamacare's first year despite a horrific start was a success. more than 7 million people looked to have signed up for health insurance through the exchanges. millions more have changed up through medicaid. millions beyond that have signed up for insurance through their employers. so the argument being, hey, good time to step down. >> well, it's a time ho...

Resistance. in this case, in the middle of the city, where lots of -- >> so reconcile the sort of new story of the weekend, if you will, the latest anecdote in the -- i recognize that, right. >> kabul is -- >> so reconcile that with the emergence as kabul of a problem and the current american foreign policy, relative to withdrawal in afghanistan. >> you want another surge? you want a kabul surge? do you think getting one in the u.s. can sell a kabul surge? >> above my pay grade. >> that's what i'm saying, you, the people, want a kabul surge? >> so paycheck me the proposition. i would like to h...