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>> for californians you mean? >> no, that's not it. >> don't ever say that to a californian. >> don't do it. >> he's joking. >> joe, you're being very emotional about this. >> let me keep it together. >> also, i've written a lot about this issue, and it is, i think, the little drams we're getting out of this senate cia report seem to be really quite devastating. and just had a question for richard haass. what -- you know, what have we learned so far? i mean, is the -- what's the scope of this harsh interrogation program greater than we have known so far and did it produceless actionable intell...

Places they would go and even perhaps in these primaries even in border states. >> we'll see. eugene robinson, mark halperin points out this morning that george w. bush said he wasn't going to balance the budget on the backs of the poor and he lived to tell about it and got elected twice. i don't know the parallels between george w. bush and jeb this year when a lot of conservatives consider 43 to be somebody that actually did great damage to the conservative cause. >> yeah. george w. bush is not exactly on the conservative pantheon right now, joe. as you know. i think there's something useful...

Believe it and believed it for a long time -- but isn't what he's saying now a product of that and he has in the back of his mind that he runs for president to put a feeler out to say i'm different than what you've seen in the past. there is some compassion in my view. isn't that what he's doing for here? >> i think he's asking for breathing space, exactly. in the same conversation he said this has to be about winning, not making points. it's an argument joe's made for a long time. i do think he's trying to set up that this is not going -- he's not going to be a litmus test conservative. his f...

Evangelical message on immigration. that's the evangelical pro-message. which this is about keeping families intact. this is about if you look at immigration in that come passionate light, i think for a conservative audience, if you're governor bush, that's the best shot you have of selling immigration, trying to neutralize it a little bit as a political hot potato. but, we saw what happened in '07. we saw what happened, what mitt romney did to rick perry. it is -- of all the primary issues of the various things that can trip up a republican running for president, i think we've learned over th...