really did not stand up to president putin and communications really do matter even though president trump didn t post sanctions, public communications and private communications matter heavily. so i think president biden didn t want to distract from the message that there are pros and cons to this. the pros that on one hand, there s some control that they can have their because the press conference may not run out of their hands but on the flip side, the russians art master manipulators and they re going to tell the world what went on in the meeting even though not all of it was true and the white house will be left chasing that message. so that s a little bit again frustrating but we have to remember that this is gonna be the first step in many to try to increase the pressure on russia and tell them flat out they will in one exits. nbc s own carrie symonds had a chance to sit down with putin. take a listen, and i d love your reaction. when president biden s asked whether he belie
behind him on this unified front and that will shake putin a little bit. so even if the meeting seems not productive which i expected to be it is one step in twisting putin s arm a little bit to say we re not alone in this. we ve got all of these folks behind us and we re not gonna rest. this is just the beginning of the biden administration and their efforts to rally international coalition to object to russians i want to underscore something you mentioned. one of the biggest challenges that america and the nato countries have with russia specifically is this idea of cybersecurity and cyber interference which is kind of a pinky swear. i m not gonna do it. but there s no real type of repercussions in the events that someone, some nation does that to a country. what do we have at our disposal? what tools do we have at our disposal to enforce this pinky swear so that when ransomware does run amok that there are consequences for folks such as the russian government?
ken, i think the challenge is that it seems strange but when we realize that what they were investigating was the same people they were looking into the russia connection potentially with trump and then you hear more about the access of the stuff that you re covering oftentimes with national security and how russia seems to be a threat through our elections and through these investigations, it really gives a pause and say what is happening. take a step back. it seems to be all interconnected somehow. can, i want to thank you for joining us this evening. i know that it was a bit of a fun jumping through the hoops but i m appreciative of your insights. great to be with you, thanks maria theresa. thank you. tonight, israel s netanyahu is out as prime minister after 12 years and a pretty unlikely coalition made it happen. that s next. lliant. the visionary lexus nx. lease the 2021 nx 300 for
blockbuster movies and instead, celebrated the community turning against it is president and founder of media, actor and author of once i was you, love and hate in a torn america maria, i have to say, i watched this in one of the prescreen s and when you came out on there and had a conversation and you were neither trying to organize the recipients, i was filled with troy. talk to me a little bit about that experience. oh my, gosh sweetie, people who know me know that about 40 years ago, i came to new york to be an actor. but i turned into a journalist. and so, this is my message there were everybody out there. really, it s never give up on a dream. just never give up on a dream and i think, you, know in the height in many ways is never give up on a dream. i mean, this has been in creation for so long. i mean, it starts in the dorm
staffers but it s very clear that they were pressing really hard to try to make some of these league cases because they viewed some of the disclosures as extremely damaging. but it didn t go anywhere and now the department of justice inspector general is going to get to the bottom because there s a lot of competing stories about what actually happened. hopefully he s gonna get to the bottom of who said what, when and who ordered this, how far did it go, which career officials were involved and did anyone violate doj policy? my friend, i m anticipating that you have a very busy week ahead of you. thank you so much for taking some time with us tonight. my next guest, yesterday here on msnbc called on attorney general merrick garland to clean house and raise the question we want to dig into a bit. why did we learn this news from apple? with me now, democratic congressman raja of illinois who sits on the house intelligence committee. congressman, what is your reaction to this story? i