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Particular in washington and in fact the law that mr. mcdonald was suffering under was pushed ouldough by then mayor jane anybody need a gun and at the very time she was surrounded, surrounded by armed chicago police officers. >> judge jeanine: and otis, when you hear about that 911 call where a woman is with her twins, a mother just learning how to use a gun, if she were in the city of chicago she wouldn't be able to have that handgun, would she? >> no, she wouldn't. at that time, anyway. but -- and that is -- sorry. >> judge jeanine: go ahead. >> and that is mind boggling. i don't understand...

Particular in washington and in fact the law that mr. mcdonald was suffering under was pushed through by then mayor jane byrne who said why would anybody need a gun and at the very time she was surrounded, surrounded by armed chicago police officers. >> judge jeanine: and otis, when you hear about that 911 call where a woman is with her twins, a mother just learning how to use a gun, if she were in the city of chicago she wouldn't be able to have that handgun, would she? >> no, she wouldn't. at that time, anyway. but -- and that is -- sorry. >> judge jeanine: go ahead. >> and that is mind bogg...

The politicians can't do anything to keep criminals from getting guns to hurt the rest of us. >> larry pratt and otis mcdonald who joins us interest chicago the gun-free city that is one of the most violent in the country. i appreciate you being with us this evening. >> thank you, judge. >> thank you, judge. >> judge jeanine: weigh in on our instapoll has the journal news put legal gun owners in danger. go to coming up, one of the prosecution star are witnesses. accused killer of jodi arias spent supposed quality time with right after the murder of the victim in this case. ryan burns is next. ...