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The cia comes out of 20 years of saying we're going into a business of working with security services in places like pakistan to hunt terrorists. maybe recruiting terrorists. we're paying less attention to iranians, chinese, russians, north koreans. and now i'm not surprised people in the cia i can guarantee you are saying when we get back into the business of the real spy stuff. north koreans, as i said, russians, chinese. are we as good as we used to be? and i'm sure there are some people, chris, who are answering that question with a simple answer. no, we're not. >> well, saying that you're...

Saying we're going into a business of working with security services in places like pakistan to hunt terrorists. maybe recruiting terrorists. we're paying less attention to iranians, chinese, russians, north koreans. and now i'm not surprised people in the cia i can guarantee you are saying when we get back into the business of the real spy stuff. north koreans, as i said, russians, chinese. are we as good as he with used to be? and i'm sure there are some people, chris, who are answering that question with a simple answer. no, we're not. >> well, saying that you're a little rusty is different...

100 involving cia officers. cases are spiked. they are mushrooming around the globe. we've seen a new set of victims come home from vienna, a hot spot for spies. new cases in africa that was previously unreported. this is very much still happening and it's happening now. one of the things that i think has been very tricky for the cia and the intelligence community at large is it's been very difficult to determine whether any one person who is reporting these symptoms is experiencing the same thing as another person who is reporting these symptoms. they don't have a great handle on diagnosing t...

>> i knew there was work we needed to do to make sure the investigation was on rock solid ground. >> the associated press says that you asked for a backup plan to protect russia evidence. what -- what was that backup plan? >> i can't tell you the details of the backup plan, but i can say this, steven. that's our job, right? that's our job, to prepare for eventualities. >> is it on like a thumb drive under a brick, dupont circle? did you have to do spy stuff to hide it? >> it's on the tape reels that turn to smoke at the beginning of the show. >> yeah, you joke, but now i know those are real be...

Ultimately recruit people who can give secrets to the united states that we could use in our long-standing feuds with russia. second and honestly more likely i think the russians probably snatched him up for political reasons. either because they want to facilitate a swap later on. of course you remember anna chapman, sort of a model russian agency type women who we arrested in 2010 for western spies. or it could be the russians that'll be rough sledding in the united states for them this year because of the mueller report and the rest and they could be trying to say listen, everybody does the...