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But the post reporting is we have stopped that linkage, we think. i agree doesn't make sense. it does make sense or you can follow the logic if there's going to be some kind of trade swap here. i would like malcolm maybe can shed light on this, every major powers' compound is going to have spy stuff in it. our diplomatic residencies everywhere have people who work for the cia and they're not all just gathering information. great powers do spy craft. russia probably does more than anybody, certainly more activity in the united states than anybody, and should be watched in a different way. i agr...

Pomp pompeo, mike pence and donald trump used this exact same information during the campaign. as the former fbi agent that testified in congress said, it was the trump team that actually used these operations against the united states. they used them. >> this is what happens when you invite snakes into your backyard. they will end up biting you. this is goingo ben ongoing challenge for this administration, the ties to putin and undermining of u.s. democracy at all levels. we're going to have to see this is really not a strategic play by administration. they are trying to play cleanup, bringin...

We're going to start with british spy stuff. if you are into british spy stuff, even spy novels and bbc cereals and that kind of stuff, you will know there is a convenient mnemonic device for us americans about british spy stuff, a convenient device to help us remember what the different british spy agencies are. they have one domestic intelligence agency that's mi 5. that's the rough equivalent of fbi. they have mi 6 which is the equivalent of our cia. and there's this handy mnemonic device which is mi5 is the fbi. and mi6 is the cia. it's very handy. that said, it all falls apart when you ge...

What was really going on there? then you have kelly aanne conwa saying there's really no russian military intelligence operating in the united states. how much of what goes on, what is this spy stuff, really does still exist and how close is it to the cold war? >> clearly, it does still exist. it would be naive in the extreme to believe that major countries and world powers do not have the capacity to try to use ways of the intelligence approach to understand what's going on in other countries. in many cays, that's useful, understanding what's going on in other countries is important. but unde...

The cia had become basically a branch of the military after 9 /11. he said he wanted them to get back to their real purpose as an agency which is collecting intelligence. less killing, more traditional spying. now, though, it has been one terrible story of the cia screwing up the basic work of spying even against our own best allies. outing their own people, own assets, toeltally failing the president by not telling the white house what was going on. this is terrible. is this a sign that that agency really is getting back to the work of spying and they're like an agency in transition and they'...