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Putin. so it just created all of this tension and drama inside american politics that doesn't really exist now so i think that also gives biden a little bit more maneuvering room because it's not so central to the conversation as it was under trump. >> susan, a russian presidential aide says it is going to be up to the two leaders whether they will step aside and just have a one on one talk. do you think that will happen? >> well, my guess is that biden would be very wary of it. mark's point is excellent, there was a hyperpoliticization of everything having to do with the sbraks between donald...

With us now to discuss is susan glasser, staff writer at the new yorker, and cnn global affairs analyst, and mark mizetti, washington investigative correspondent at the "new york times," and cnn national security analyst. thank you both for being with us, susan, from what we know about president biden's approach going into this summit will it be effective against putin, will it work? >> well, you know, both of these men, like to and are capable of giving out long ex-plications o their positions. vladimir putin has given many lectures to many american presidents. biden is his fifth straight ame...

They're desperate to sit next to the girls and they spend the entire time at lunch kicking them under the table. expect vladimir putin to be kicking away under the table. >> that is an interesting analogy. i can appreciate that. i also was listening to you talking about how they may be long winded and both wanting to take the stage. we're expecting this to be a four or five hour plus meeting, mark, it isn't the first time putin and president biden have met, you know, ten years ago in 2011, then vice president biden met putin and said he told putin i don't think you have a soul. do you expect t...

Obviously want to know everything. >> yeah, it's astonishing, actually. the thing about your beat in covering intelligence matters like this and our effort to try to stay apprised of them is we know so little of what goes on, but what we know about what's going on here is slightly jaw dropping. mark mazzetti, national security correspondent for "the new york times." thanks, mark. nice to see you, appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you. there is something coming up on the show next that has to do with pants. and even if you have no interest in anything else in the news today, trust me, you...

The cia had become basically a branch of the military after 9 /11. he said he wanted them to get back to their real purpose as an agency which is collecting intelligence. less killing, more traditional spying. now, though, it has been one terrible story of the cia screwing up the basic work of spying even against our own best allies. outing their own people, own assets, toeltally failing the president by not telling the white house what was going on. this is terrible. is this a sign that that agency really is getting back to the work of spying and they're like an agency in transition and they'...