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The cia had become basically a branch of the military after 9 /11. he said he wanted them to get back to their real purpose as an agency which is collecting intelligence. less killing, more traditional spying. now, though, it has been one terrible story of the cia screwing up the basic work of spying even against our own best allies. outing their own people, own assets, toeltally failing the president by not telling the white house what was going on. this is terrible. is this a sign that that agency really is getting back to the work of spying and they're like an agency in transition and they'...

Is this a sign that that agency really is getting back to the work of spying and they're like an agency in transition and they're just rusty? or is this just an agency that is flailing in a more typical way? joining us now is mark mazzetti, national security correspondent for "the new york times," author of "the way of the knife: cia, secret army and a war at the end of the earth." thank you very much for being with us. >> thanks for having me on. >> i am not an expert on spy stuff except for fake spy stuff that happens in movies and books. in the real spying world, isn't it unusual and sloppy...