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Happener and maggie haberman are hearing what they are hearing that there s usually whack to the arson equation there s usually fire where there s smoke. that there indeed is talk about pence initiated by the president, i think that s very clear, and nothing is a sure thing in this white house. what is less sure than anything are what the president s words mean. they mean very little in terms of truthfulness, they mean very little in terms of everything except perhaps looking at him in a kind of barometer fashion. taking his temperature. his words, et cetera, et cetera, despite what i said. but we don t know, and i don t think trump knows, you know, is pence going to be on the ticket? i think it probably depends on the situation going into the election. we are a long way from 2020 and that election. mr. trump is a long way from ....