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President under oath being alleged to have committed perjury. i hope he can rebut that and prove that did not happen. if he can show he did not commit obstruction of justice and he can complete his term. but there are serious allegations that that occurred. and in america, in supreme court tanld american people believe no one is above the law. and the president has gotten himself into this fix that is very serious. i intend to give him an absolutely fair trial. >> i mean, listen, there's a tweet and a sound bite for everything. and that one's back from the tv time machine from 1999. so is sess...

Article ii the president has the power to remove anyone, including james comey. in light of that, congress can't criminalize the president's exercise of his own lawful authority. >> dana: can i ask you, renata, to help me understand something. there's a back and forthed. i know you're active on twitter. about what alan dershowitz said ab there not being an obstruction of justice charge. all this issue about lying to the fbi and whether it's material or not. for those viewers paying attention to this story and want some clarification, how would you explain that? >> sure. first of all, i'll have...

Probably not at fox, though, which pulled them after it says its viewers complained. he spent $20 million so far on two pro impeachment ads. i recently spoke with tom steyer. so mr. steyer, let us talk article ii, section iv, treason, bribery, other high crimes and misdemeanors. which do you think apply? >> well michael, i think that there's no question that the president has obstructed justice. in his firing of the head of the fbi. which he said he did, because he persisted in the russian investigation. i think that he has broken the emoluments clause virtually on a daily basis. and i think t...

That's not bribery. that's not a high crime or misdemeanor. some would argue that's the situation that he inherited from predecessors, who didn't do anything about kim jong un. >> well i think, michael, i see this as two different things. and i think you're conflating the two of them. one is has he met the criteria for impeachment. that was the first question you asked me and i referred to the emoluments clause and the obstruction of justice. the kind of things that meet the tritia for impeachment. the second question was you said well people could use this as a, a precedent. and i said actual...

Involved. >> it was tardy and he was not reading the teleprompter as though he was reading something he was familiar with. or deeply invested in. all that aside. but we're watching this with the executives bailing out from various white house commissions, doubtless getting pressure from their customers, and from their boards of directors, larry summers writing today saying why are these people complicit with the president? that's a very interesting choice of words. what we're seeing, i think, and frankly those of us who think the inflated presidency has been destroying the equilibrium of our c...