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In judge pirro to give us more contest. as mercedes says, look, if this goes a fair distance with the jury, then both sides think, you know what? maybe they are mulling over the evidence. maybe they are being thoughtful and precise about this. but if it starts to go a little longer than normal, there's somebody that is holding out. there's some kind of problem that they can't agree. that becomes a difficult burden for the prosecution. >> that's a hung jury. it wouldn't be surprising. i want to go back to one thing. you do not have to prove motive in my case. what the prosecutor did in this cas...

Little bit. you lie about everything, judge. again, tough to get over. >> as a judge, i would instruct a jury and have many times that if you believe this witness and the defendant has lied about one thing, you are free to assume that that witness has lied about everything and you can disregard that testimony. but remember, there is no burden of proof on the defendant. he's presumed to be innocent. but when you put together all of the circumstantial evidence, that rove of innocence just blows off of him. he stands there as a liar and he's a liar because he killed his wife and his son. >> trace...

Innocent. it's so routinely done to attack the investigators. but that doesn't mean it's going to result in exoneration. you might get a couple of jurors that don't believe he was capable of murdering his wife and son, end of story. there's so much about a high standard. reasonable doubt is a very high standard. you might get one or two jurors that say i can't believe he would do this to his family and result in a hung jury. that could be problematic. >> i talked to nancy grace about the makeup of the jury. they have a lot of stuff to mull over. there were 70-plus witnesses that were called to...

Manual transmissions are making a comeback. driving stick appeals to a new generation. take you paddle shifters and -- >> my mom told me you need to learn how to drive a stick. you have to drive yourself home -- i never partied. >> take your paddle shifters and stick them. thanks for joining us. i'm john roberts. >> "the story" starts right now. >> john and jackie, thank you. good afternoon. i'm trace gallagher in for martha maccallum. on "the story" right now, the jury in alec murdaugh's double jury about to get the case. murdaugh admits lying to investigators but testified under oath that he...

That there were 70 plus witnesses in this trial, a lot to go over. is it your sense if this jury comes back with a quick verdict that is good news or bad news for alec murdaugh? >> if it's a quick verdict, that's bad news for murdaugh. the longer the jury delays, that means they have a disagreement that they cannot reconcile. a loot of people tried to read the tea leaves and figure out which juror is leaning which way. sometimes you can tell. on the front row, i see an alliance of four people near the judge. they look at each other during the testimony every once in a while. there's a woman on...