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President's budget won't touch entitlement programs like we discussed like social security and medicare. white house officials say they're going to target the epa and state department. if you cut the entire epa. they're saying they're not because they hired a new epa person. that would only be $8 billion. can this work without going after big entitlement programs? >> well, probably you're going to need to start reforming these plans. again, look at how difficult it's been to find any consensus on rolling back the obama care plan, it's interesting don, i was on a cnn program earlier today. and ...

What we really need to do is expand medicare and that wasn't just a liberal panelist on cnn. that was the position of hillary clinton and bernie sanders. so show me -- i would ask austin and you, show me one democrat, one that will cut social security or medicare. trump, what is he supposed to do? do this without a single democratic vote? >> there's only one person i can think of in the republican party who has been the leader of the charge, let us never cut social security and not cut medicare and that person is now the president of the united states. so if the republicans in congress that st...

Low population growth. >> poor grab. 43 other presidents have a better track record than him and it's not his fault? >> they do not have a better track record. since 2010 -- >> better gdp. >> we have added 15 million jobs. do you think donald trump will beat that number? >> i do, yes. >> actually , i do. >> why do you split off the years? >> because by were in massive recession in 200 t9. >> obama years were 2008 to 2016. >> no, listen to you. >> desperately want to put that stinking mess after financial crisis that happened before he ever got there. you want it put that on his ledger. and you...