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Rod rosenstein said. and you heard john solomon, help me out, senator. it sounds to me like they premeditated conspiracy to commit fraud of the court to undo a first stop and then undo a presidential election, that's how i interpret it. >> mccabe also said without the dossier there would have been no war issued against carter page. so mccabe says under oath and it was out come determine. and everything you say about the garbage of the dossier is true, but this is when we had mr. horwitz looking into this. and i cannot wait until he tells us what he found. >> sean: where do you go with this? yo...

And upstanding thing as he has throughout his life. the second sort of inference there is there are many in the government that mueller has been dealing with who have not been similarly admirable. and you know, it's possible to me by the way, that that whole other section that we don't know about may concern the obstruction conduct that flynn at least knew about and in fact it was his investigation that will trump tried to make -- to ask comey to back off of. so that would be a kind of classic bad government action in contrast to flynn's you know, acting upright and owning up to his mistake an...

Is a good thing, not a bad thing. and your client has no obligation to clarify. all he has is an obligation to make sure that he doesn't say anything that results in incriminating statements. >> jeff, i want to ask you something about that giuliani also said yesterday that i didn't quite understand. he said that it would be easier for him if the president did ask comey to give flynn a break that would be something he and jay sekulow could defend. >> i think alan's making that point, that the president can to do for any purpose. and i just think that's dead wrong. i think if you look at waterga...

Also said yesterday that i didn't quite understand. he said that it would be easier for him if the president did ask comey to give flynn a break that would be something he and jay sekulow could defend. >> i think alan's making that point, that the president can to do for any purpose. and i just think that's dead wrong. i think if you look at watergate, if -- the president did have the legal right to tell the fbi that the cia wanted the watergate investigation stopped. that was done for a corrupt motive, and it was seen, properly, as an impeachable offense. but just because -- >> but that was a...

>> the president said i never -- i never said anything about flynn. comey said that he told me to see if i would give him a break basically. so we have three defenses to that under article ii of the constitution you can't question why the president has the power to say something. number two, what he was saying is perfectly justifiable. he didn't say, you must or you have to, but just consider can it. and number three, he never said it. >> that is rudy giuliani's latest response to questions about now the infamous meeting of president trump and now fired fbi director, james comey. over the week...