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Go cutting crazy now in the sense you will hurt the economy but you send stability to the markets, you were there with ronald reagan and tip o'neil, bill rollins, you saw republican proposal, democratic proposal, kilt kick and spit at each other six months, if they would start the sit down conversation now, ed, why is that so impossible? >> it is not impossible. the bottom line is the republicans would sit down with the president, both sides are going to have to come together, as i said last night on this show, both sides put their sp d spending priorities into this thing, we can't afford to h...

Interest on the government's debt. so the president has a point about a lot of the money goes interest on the debt. now, some of that is his debt, some is previous administrations' debt, the president has a point, a lot is paying interest on the debt, $2 trillion in new debt the president would add, so did the president quiet his critics? ask ed rollins, cornell belcher and donna avalon. he is a democratic president, and it is a tough time and to be honest this is a political document t is not a bold document. they made a calculated decision at the white house. let put forward a plan that has ...

>> now, first we will check the math. ed and john and cornell still with us. we will check the math there have been 200,000 people hired, hired by the federal government during the obama presidency but there are vacancies, of course, people leave jobs. there are 58,000 more federal workers, not 200,000, there are 58,000 more federal workers in january 2011 than there were in january 2009. so number one, there's an honesty in the math question there net jobs versus total jobs, ed rollins but as a republican, is that tone all right, that is the tone, so to be, make the cuts and say the governmen...

To come and help us on entitlement, doesn't make any sense because it has to be bipartisan. sthanchts question, john avlon. does it make any sense? doesn't make any sense. the traditional rules of washington, cornell is right, why should the democratic president start taking harpoons by himself? if the price is so big maybe he should have said you know what, i'm going to take the first harpoon to show how serious we are? >> that's where presidential leadership comes in and essential ingredient. the president talked a good game when it comes to entitlement reform for a long time and i believe a...