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Conservative ideals of reagan. my question to you, john, as an expert on all of this and the history of the party is, can you do that anymore? can you do that today? >> no. >> okay. >> no, because you can't tr triangulate between truth and lies. you can come up with all the political calculations you want and talk about a big tent party, but if marjorie taylor greene and matt gaetz are not getting condemned for anti-semitic insanity and calling for second amendment solutions by republican leadership, not immediately anyway, while they cast out liz cheney for being consistent in her conservativ...

Republican party. they are right now the recent past. the future and a bit more cartoonish future is what you heard from marjorie taylor greene and matt gaetz. they are the more extreme examples of the maga republicanism. but that is where the power center is. that is where the grassroots is. and, you know if paul ryan, he tried, before trump was elected, he spoke out against trump, and then got quetta, gain. and now it's just, he's a guy giving a speech in california who used to be speaker. >> i did -- i did think it was interesting, john, that jim is right. he didn't say trump's name through...

Americans can really see as fully fact-based? >> that's the fundamental problem. you can't equate the two in terms of republicans' determination to investigate. ten benghazi committees. and they can't muster support for a single bipartisan report? you know, if they want to filibuster this, they should be made to filibust ter out loud. they want to turn the page and stop talking about it. they should be forced to talk about it. forced to defend the indefensible on the record. but that house select committee which would have republicans on it. here's another idea. ask john katko, the republican ...