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Minimize your condidnuct or not? >> sarah sanders was asked about this today and she said we'll leave it up to the court but the activities he wassin ga engaged didn't have anything to do with the president. >> spoke to kislyak during the transition about possibly removing sanctions. this is where you get to have a baghdad bob problem if you're the press secretary because you can't credibly say this has nothing to do with the president. this whole investigation begins with flynn, the president asking comey to back off questions of obstruction. you saw sarah sanders tried to move the conversati...

Allows trump to push on this open door with a lot of his supporters who believe that our institution or law enforcement was compromised was comey, head of the fbi, putting his thumb on the political scale while insisting he was not. he was counting on hillary clinton winning and was trying to shore her up. that was a mistake in his thinking and led to all kinds of bad actions. and i think the president is just trying to explore it. but i think we have to keep our eye on that piece of it. the president is out here as a tactical matter trying to delegitimize every piece of this investigation to ...

Statements, he invites different scrutiny which happens every time he does that, there are new avenues of investigation to pursue, new corroboration that needs to happen. new information has to be uncovered by the investigative team. they are finally recognizing they have shot themselves in the foot for a very lo now begin to as a result. if they were to prolong the inevitable which means he will testify voluntarily or under a subpoena, well, they have some control. not a whole lot of bargaining power but control in that. by the way, poppy, it could very well be even if he were to testify, if ...

The first place, which you always point out. you picked up how careful giuliani was careful about what would end, the obstruction piece. what matters most to trump would end. >> right. i guess what occurs to me as we're talking, there's two circles around trump. the inner circle is the one he created, which is how did he respond to all of this once information became known. and we know what actions we know about, right? we know he fired people like comey. we know all the things he has popped off about on twitter. and we know what could inform that inner circle. all the people arched the presid...

Our political panel joins me. richard fowler and kevin mccullough from salem media. thank you for talking to us today. richard, are you surprised by comey's caddie comments? >> no, i'm not surprised by them whatsoever. >> julie: say that five times fast. >> i know. but on top of that, we have a larger problem. democrats and republicans can agree that the intelligence committee has been a wreck. trey gowdy, the chairman of the government oversight said it best. it's like an episode of "mean girls." >> julie: i love "mean girls." >> this is a bad investigation. the only investigation of figuring...