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Remain in the area. president obama has yet to decide on final troop numbers. syria's government and the opposition that face-to-face for the first time today in peace talks in geneva, switzerland. secretary of state john kerry is there and says president assad cannot play a role in the country's transitional government, but a syrian official says assad will not step aside. the three-year war in syria has killed an estimated 130,000 people. edward snowden insisting in a new interview that he acted alone. after two prominent lawmakers suggested he might have worked with russia. snowden told...

>> the american people are skeptical. no question about this. president has to do what's the best case of the united states. i think the case has been made for us to respond. again, we're not putting boots on the ground. we're not assaulting and trying to have a regime change. it's a very tactical effort. degrade the bomb, the military bomb sites. find ways to destroy the artillery launches of the syrian military. find ways to shift the military momentum away from the syrian military that is winning the war right now. most importantly, a response to these butchering killings. assad cannot get ...

>> shepard: after all these months, jonathan, why is it the assessment that this battle in aleppo could be a big and defining moment? ,. >> simply because the rebels have clearly decided that they need to make a major stand in aleppo. aleppo is by population syria's largest city. it is also a major commercial hub. it's near the turkish border in the north of syria. and, therefore, one of the rebel strongholds. so, president assad cannot face letting it go. the rebels are making their stand. it is clearly already a bloody it is according to all the experts going to get bloodier but despite some...

Restoration. go ahead. >> well, i do think this is on russia's hands now. the russians have moved themselves into a decisive role by being assad's last friend. they have indicated what everybody knows, which is that a assad cannot remain in power. if it's true, it's important to move now towards a basic plan. d we want something with the elements of the basic government structure that holds syria together, that draws in all of the different ethnic communities. and during this transition, they are going to need some outside

Now being try inside cairo, and the third example is moammar gadhafi who was kill inside his final days. and this sends a message to the region that every leader will be held to account, and that those who don't respond will face some form of justice or retaliation be it having to flee their country, facing trial or being killed in a moment of trying to put down rebellion. jenna: so let's talk about syria because that's the next focus that everyone's looking at now. you say that could be the fate of, well, countries that have dictators like president assad. is there a timeline to that? for exa...