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Will see syrian dough mass cuss forces facing up against turkish forces. the real fear is whether those two forces are going to come into collision with each other and president putin is probably the only person, the only leader, who's really able to solve that. you know, back in 2016, katy, i guess you could argue that americans voted for withdrawal from the world and for other countries to take their role in sorting the world's issues out. if that is the case, i guess those american voters have got what they wanted. but i don't -- can't imagine people who voted for president trump really wan...

And i'm afraid that america has huge vested interest in this region. will continue to have and really can't -- can't avoid that. >> who else has a vested interest in making sure isis combatants don't escape and -- and reform the califate? >> yeah. another great question. i think there's some real politic in this, which is that the fact is that if president assad's forces do take over huge new swaths of syria get those back if you like, the isis members they encounter will be treated -- will not be treated simp sympathetically. assad's forces will have no sympathy for isis forces. so we have to...