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Also i think he's looking for surrogates to go out on television. i think he's trying to assembly a team of surrogates. he replaced tillerson with somebody he thought could make a much more forceful argument for him. gary cohn was not often on television, but larry kudlow has been on television for 30 years and he can go out and defend. and i think with h.r. mcmaster, the president had john bolton to speak for an hour, and it looked reading the tea leaves that he might be coming in to replace mcmaster. of course he's very effective, articulate on television. i think the president's trying to b...

President's in a firing mood, something else could happen all at once here or, anderson, it could not. it is entirely controlled by his decision. most people here at the white house do not know when or if he will make these announcements. he's likely to do so on twitter. >> jeff zeleny, thanks very much. joining us two people who have seen shake-ups up close, axelrod and gergen. so, david gergen, looking at who's been fired, who's survived, what conclusions do you draw about what the president values in his staff and where this administration is headed, or can you? >> i think he values two thi...